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cinaqmon April 18, 2024 11:08 pm

Ive been searching for ages and I doubt anyone might know but I rem the scenes pretty well so if anyone has read or knows the name please lmk!

Its a Bl 100% tagged with Yaoi
Boys are at uni studying science, the blonde has a bird tattoo on his back and is the best in class which everyone likes and praises, compared to the other boy. The other boy built a robot bird and presented it to the close with a presentation, showing it fly as remarks came. The blonde asks a black haired collegue to approach the other boy in a mean manner and MAKE him get info on him as they live opposite eachother ( window to window . Since the boy got scared off her ge did so and saw how the blonde just got out of the shower and was naked ( which is what he wante to happen ). He quicly hid but the blonde saw and approached him the next day questioning

mstbnny April 18, 2024 11:04 pm

hey!! can someone give any recommendations about rivals to lovers BL? in office pls
when they compete in work or have to work together or travel together haha something like that pleaaase

Icy River April 18, 2024 11:15 pm

You and i can't do this is exactly what you're looking for

mstbnny April 18, 2024 11:17 pm
You and i can't do this is exactly what you're looking for Icy River

i've read this one before hahaha
but i'm looking for something like this, love them sm

rika April 18, 2024 11:17 pm

"perfect buddy" is also really great

Icy River April 18, 2024 11:19 pm
i've read this one before hahahabut i'm looking for something like this, love them sm mstbnny

Then try also fake fact lips!

riu April 18, 2024 11:01 pm

hi pls give me shoujo manhwa/manga/manhua recs thx

Ripixal April 18, 2024 10:07 pm

So I’ve been looking for good time loop stories, any recommendations?

Abel✯lied April 18, 2024 10:35 pm

11:59 was pretty cute as far as I remember!

waza why? April 18, 2024 9:58 pm

Hiya. Does anyone have any recollection of these three manga?

1) Really old one. Sports setting (I think). Not clear on all details. Uke is like short and seme is tall and dark haired.

Uke likes his childhood friend who is straight. The senpai in his club(seme) finds out, and there begins a give-and-take and very toxic sexual relationship. The seme forces him and they do it a lot in the locker rooms. Uke gets really depressed and heart-broken and lots of angst, and seme leaves him. But uke goes searching for seme for some reason(who holes up at his house coz of some personal issues and is heavy smoking or something) and uke forgives the undeserving seme and they fall in love and have a happy end.

2) Don't recall a lot of the details for this one either. It's not very new. At least older than 2020.
In their final year of high school, the seme and uke. who were childhood friends (or just friends) go separate ways, but idk why exactly. Maybe seme confessed. Sry for the lack of clarity.
Uke moves to another city? for uni and lives in a one room. Seme unexpectedly shows up at uke's place and starts ra*ing uke out of nowhere. The art is a bit dark and scary and idk how but they end up together. I think seme has dark hair.

3) This one I recall next to nothing about.
I remember that it had a taller uke (but both seme and uke were almost same height and very mature characters), and one of them is a chef. He was living with the seme in the same apartment coz of their families or ex wives or widows or something. It was very soft and wholesome and it was just 2 or 3 chapters with other stories in the same volume.

I'll be really surprised if anyone found any of these works despite my sham memory ><
Thanks in advance for reading through this stupidly long post

Bato89 April 18, 2024 9:47 pm

Guys give me the saddest and most emotional thing youve read. Something that left impact on you

Bato89 April 18, 2024 9:52 pm
I got youhttps://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_horizon/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/an_uncomfortable_truth/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/homeless/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/sensitive_boy/https:/... Nixon

Thankss

Elle Aline April 18, 2024 10:23 pm

https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/apology-letter/list?title_no=510545
I've not been the same since.
Regarding books... infernal devices by Cassandra Clare. I'm not over it

Bato89 April 18, 2024 10:28 pm
https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/apology-letter/list?title_no=510545I've not been the same since.Regarding books... infernal devices by Cassandra Clare. I'm not over it Elle Aline

Thank you so muchhh

I’m gay- April 18, 2024 9:24 pm

Looking for a good bl with an actual plot, good relationship and good smut scenes. Stuff like “dangerous convenience store” with a good art-style and fluff ლ(´ڡ`ლ)

Kadie pie :3 April 18, 2024 9:38 pm

I WANNA KNOW TOO!

Lalala April 18, 2024 9:40 pm

Like a tidal wave is a good one it's only 20 chapters though T-T

Nikki April 18, 2024 9:44 pm

4 weeks lovers
Red candy
Bongchon bride

I’m gay- April 18, 2024 9:48 pm
4 weeks lovers Red candyBongchon bride Nikki

Ive read 4 week lovers but ill check out the other two!! ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ (I’ve actually been meaning to read red candy lol)

Nikki April 18, 2024 9:52 pm
Ive read 4 week lovers but ill check out the other two!! ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ (I’ve actually been meaning to read red candy lol) I’m gay-

I hope you like them ( ´∀` )b

microwave April 18, 2024 9:56 pm

I wanna know if 4 weeks lover is a good one though...I don't wanna jump into something that's not fun rn

Kadie pie :3 April 18, 2024 10:00 pm
I wanna know if 4 weeks lover is a good one though...I don't wanna jump into something that's not fun rn microwave

I just finished rereading it and it’s pretty good! The characters actually have personality and backstory iykwim

microwave April 18, 2024 10:06 pm
I just finished rereading it and it’s pretty good! The characters actually have personality and backstory iykwim Kadie pie :3

Thanks..gonna give it a go then

KookieMonstr13 April 18, 2024 10:09 pm

I think these are pretty good?
Our Sunny Days
1 to 10
Don't Mix Business With Pleasure
Home
Define the Relationship
Punch Drunk
On or Off
Hoshi to Harinezume
The Third Ending
When the Killer Falls in Love
Raion Gotoki no Kuni Kara
Secret Inside My Head
Love Plan
Love Me Doctor
Smoky Nectar
Liquor & Cigarette
The Affairs of the Other World Depend on the Corporate Slave
Love for Sale (Sadly not on here anymore)
Omega Complex
Willow Love Story
High Clear
Stranger than Friends
Tasuketa Yazuka Ni Nerawaretemasu

Yuyuxs April 18, 2024 9:02 pm

Can someone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE give me a rec of loser boy x loser boy (like satoran)

KookieMonstr13 April 18, 2024 9:37 pm

Hmm, maybe:

Mobyama Aji to Mobtani Crou no Kareinaru Nichijou e no Chousen

Yuyuxs April 18, 2024 11:06 pm
Hmm, maybe: Mobyama Aji to Mobtani Crou no Kareinaru Nichijou e no Chousen KookieMonstr13

Not really,, i meant losers with obsessive, weird, nerd, unhealthy behavior

nana April 18, 2024 9:00 pm

what is the yaoi manhwa where the ml needs mc to be in the bathroom while he bathes?

bj_viewer April 18, 2024 9:18 pm

waterside night

nana April 18, 2024 9:21 pm
waterside night bj_viewer

no that isn’t it ty tho <3

Vkk April 18, 2024 9:25 pm

Cry me a river

nana April 18, 2024 9:26 pm
Cry me a river Vkk

yes tysm <3!

Vkk April 18, 2024 9:27 pm

(▰˘◡˘▰)

Zinan April 18, 2024 9:28 pm
nana April 18, 2024 10:38 pm
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/cry_me_a_river/Was it this ome? (=・ω・=) Zinan

it was ^_^

princess April 18, 2024 8:39 pm

please cam someone help me find a bl manga about a black haired seme and blonde/white uke the uke is older than him, they promised to marry eachother when the seme grows which they did and they always have cute harmless misunderstandings…um one was about when the seme thought he was always looking for s*x and thought uke was getting tired of it while the uke on the other hand was thinking he was less attractive and needed to go to the gym to grown out his tiddes and ass moreidk if that rings a bell but please help i tried my best to explain

stinkysocks April 18, 2024 8:38 pm

does anyone know or remember this one bl manhwa, there are two guys in high school that hate eachother and then one of them gets hit in the head and teleports to a universe where they are lovers and then comes back and they start dating in the og one too bc the other one has always loved him
its short it has like 10 chps??

stinkysocks April 18, 2024 8:48 pm

oh ALSO they meet themselves in other universes when they are older and have a foursome

stinkysocks April 18, 2024 8:49 pm
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/i_m_banging_my_rival_from_a_parallel_world/Is it this one? Haruu

YEAHHHH tysm to both of uuu

Princiecharming April 18, 2024 8:13 pm

I suddenly remember this manhua(??) That ive been forgotten, setting historical eastrn asia so anw ML is an emperor looking for a bride and FL is some high ranking Noble girl and she's a fujoshi. I forgot the plot but i remember ML bro has white hair. The art is so pretty like semi realism?? Idk.

I actually forgot if It's manhua or manhwa but iirc It's manhua.. since the chibi art scream manhua lol. Help mee yall want to reread this one so bad

Salty April 18, 2024 8:12 pm

Okay so I remember reading a manhwa I think it was a bl and I think it was a slow burn. The Mc has powers that can restore buildings and he was forcfully(?) recruited into a guild by the male lead and has to restore old historical buildings in dungeons. Also his friends are zombies bc he tried to revive them. If you know it please let me know I’m dying to read it again

ʚ ✮ ɞ LUFFY ʚ ✮ ɞ April 18, 2024 8:15 pm

a trace of the wonder

Salty April 18, 2024 8:17 pm
a trace of the wonder ʚ ✮ ɞ LUFFY ʚ ✮ ɞ

THANK YOU

A chill homie April 18, 2024 8:11 pm

RECOMMENDATIONS PLEASE!!! Im really sick main characters that just get pushed around ,life’s a struggle I get it, but I’m looking for an escape. I’d really like to see something that’s very satisfying that just has a bad guy getting either emotionally or physically fucked up

A little LOVE April 18, 2024 7:50 pm

Does anyone know a manga or webtoon about ML reincarnated into a game he played where he is taking of dragons

iknow April 18, 2024 7:41 pm

I need enemies to lovers bl NOVELs

hugo :) April 18, 2024 8:47 pm

I mean code name Anastasia is enemies to lovers but low-key gross half way thru and gets good right at the end but it’s a yaoi sooooo

Omayiva April 18, 2024 9:19 pm

U can find in novelupdates

KookieMonstr13 April 18, 2024 10:06 pm

Who Can Define Popularity
Glasses Cloth and Playlist
Kujira no Oshitate-san
Perfect Buddy
Kasenjiki RomiJuri Kousou Kyoku
Ore no Kirai na Senpa

KookieMonstr13 April 18, 2024 10:07 pm
Who Can Define PopularityGlasses Cloth and PlaylistKujira no Oshitate-sanPerfect BuddyKasenjiki RomiJuri Kousou KyokuOre no Kirai na Senpa KookieMonstr13

Sorry I think most of these are rivals to lovers when I looks at it (〜 ̄△ ̄)〜

Yas April 18, 2024 7:39 pm

Can you recommend me some fluffy type of manhwa? Idk if its bl or not, just give me anything please! Im heartbroken and i need to read some comforting manhwa or else I'll rlly be depressed lol (nothing funny tho). Im fine if its shot story just give me a story without any brutal heartbreaking scenes pls

Jenny April 18, 2024 7:42 pm

Are you fine with non manhwa too?

A little LOVE April 18, 2024 7:52 pm

You can try solo farming in the tower

Cutie April 18, 2024 8:41 pm

Safari Game, Unromantic, A Thousand Cranes, Dragon Making Love, Penthouse, A Lucky Coin. they're all bl manhwa.

bibblesb April 18, 2024 9:09 pm

Faded first love

Heero April 18, 2024 7:32 pm

Need some bl manhwa recs that are completed<3

Heero April 18, 2024 9:36 pm
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/never_understand/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/unintentional_love_story/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/to_take_an_enemys_heart/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/park_han... Kash

Thank you so much<3

Heero April 18, 2024 9:36 pm
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/bad_friend/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/comfort_rewinder/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/the_art_of_taming_a_tiger/https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/my_calypso/ microwave

Thank you thank you<3

Why do I exist ??? April 18, 2024 7:26 pm

Can anyone recommend some completed yaoi where both or one of them is in College
Thankyou

Heero April 18, 2024 7:33 pm

Bj alex
Window to window
Campus theory
Cherry blossoms after winter
Dragons first crush

Why do I exist ??? April 18, 2024 7:54 pm

Thanks love
I've already read these but i appreciate you replying

Heero April 18, 2024 9:42 pm
Thanks love I've already read these but i appreciate you replying Why do I exist ???

Wait lemme suggest sum more

Heero April 18, 2024 9:44 pm
Thanks love I've already read these but i appreciate you replying Why do I exist ???

Path to you
Mistake lover
All of you
Starting with a lie
Tu quoque(its so cutee, favv)
Our companionship
My darling signed in
A guy like you
Never understand
Fools
Dream away
Lucky paradise
Love so pure
Who can define popularity
Thats all ive got

Dilemma April 18, 2024 6:30 pm

i was reversing and scratched it. i panicked and left the fuck outta here but i feel awful i should've left a note or something but didnt. no one was around but there were probably cameras around?? my car is scratched too my brother is gonna be mad as hell wtf why am i so stupid

Hxzyzed April 18, 2024 6:43 pm

you made a mistake not because your stupid, I know it sounds cringe but dont be too hard on your self the fact that you even acknowledge what happened already makes u a better person.

Hxzyzed April 18, 2024 6:45 pm
you made a mistake not because your stupid, I know it sounds cringe but dont be too hard on your self the fact that you even acknowledge what happened already makes u a better person. Hxzyzed

you did somethig stupid but that doesn't make u a stupid person***

Arthea April 18, 2024 6:46 pm
you made a mistake not because your stupid, I know it sounds cringe but dont be too hard on your self the fact that you even acknowledge what happened already makes u a better person. Hxzyzed

thanks....but tbh i want to get away with it, like i hope the person doesn't notice and doesn't take action. i feel awful thinking this but its the truth

Hxzyzed April 18, 2024 6:48 pm
thanks....but tbh i want to get away with it, like i hope the person doesn't notice and doesn't take action. i feel awful thinking this but its the truth Arthea

well you is fucked cause I really believe that all things come to light,

Arthea April 18, 2024 6:50 pm
well you is fucked cause I really believe that all things come to light, Hxzyzed

LMAOOOOO, ok that's fair i guess

YoYoYoYo April 18, 2024 7:24 pm

Its okay to make a mistake, if you feel extremely bad, you can probably go to police and they could check the cameras and you'll pay for the damage. Youre not stupid because of that, people make mistakes, my mom scratched a car once too by accident and she has driver's license for like 20 years , sometimes just the day, week, month, year isn't going according to ours liking and that very normal.

ShizukaChann April 18, 2024 7:47 pm

That happened to me too and I had no clue what I'm supposed to do at that moment so I panicked and ran away... It was my neighbour's car and I spend two nights stressing about it and feeling bad... It happens to lot of us, don't worry too much. Also I ended up without getting punished cuz no one suspected me for some reason (but I still feel terribly when I think about it)

rou2x April 18, 2024 7:48 pm

glad you're aware that what you did is wrong, but it doesn't really count unless you own up to your mistake. the car you scratched belongs to someone. have you considered what it would be like if you were in their shoes? like, suddenly there's a scratch on their car, no note, no compensation, nothing. what if that person also has a brother who will get mad at them? basically, what i'm saying is, you should be more empathetic to others, especially because you're aware that what you did was wrong. oh, and it's not stupid to make a mistake... although it is ignorant when you choose to do nothing even if you're in the wrong.

Arthea April 18, 2024 8:10 pm
glad you're aware that what you did is wrong, but it doesn't really count unless you own up to your mistake. the car you scratched belongs to someone. have you considered what it would be like if you were in th... rou2x

you're absolutely correct and even though i feel really bad about it, i am selfish and a part of me really wants this to go unnoticed. also i have genuinely no idea how to find the car i scratched i just remember it being blue and nothing else

Arthea April 18, 2024 8:13 pm
That happened to me too and I had no clue what I'm supposed to do at that moment so I panicked and ran away... It was my neighbour's car and I spend two nights stressing about it and feeling bad... It happens t... ShizukaChann

hi thanks for commenting, can i ask if your family noticed it or not? and if they did what did you say to them?

Feeds

sweety1997 : I left this early to let it marinate and wait until FL and ML are in a proper relationship. Like when Ines gave in and loves ML and starts to heal and think of life with him. Are we anywhere close to this right now? Cause I cannot handle it if not...
Goddessfood : I don’t care I rather be dead than get gRAPE shits fcked up.
M3lodyii : I dont know if i should like Asagiri or not cuz she rlly is helping us match make them tg but shes also playin a villian
loveia : sees manhwa that actually clears up misunderstandings within a chapter and it doesnt involve sex!!!
Erwins Arm : We barely get a pov for tak for us to sympathise with him feel like author should have put in his thoughts more often not just spring this on to us now when we know he’s a dh
harimauSugar : It’s kinda sad knowing that they prob could’ve worked out if the seme didn’t snap or even interfered w/ the uke’s reputation back then in high school
nana : hypothetically, if jaewoo stays in the real world, would hyeonjin get with mujin instead and follow the original storyline?
13r0k3n : Ask and you shall receive ig ( ̄∇ ̄")
some : For a captain, he’s strangely stupid. Wait, yeah its normal, the higher up the rank, the stupidest they gets no wonder there’s so many unsolved cases. The manhwa itself is just aight, literally nothing except p0rn atp. All they did is fuck like rabbit and that crown prince jump on louis bone everytime louis get drugged. Its weird why louis is even a knight captain when hes thin build, stupid, easily deceived and brainless. Anyways its just aight. That dragon kid dream is cute tho
Kuku : Aaahh I really like this manga. Can't wait for next chaptersss
Na jieun : I am here for the comments. There was no need to read this
ObsidianGoddess : Isn’t the black dragon girl the tower boss, why is she okay with the Pig Grid enslaving a whole race. She’s obviously allowed to intervene because she went out of her way to help the MC. Shouldn't she do something about this, I know MC is somehow going to free the rabbit race but you would think the all powerful dragon would help out.

And I get that’s she’s weakened because of her heart, but if she’s that sick she shouldn’t be monitoring the tower.
Jeyoya : Spoiler...


From what I know part of the prophecy is he has to kill the woman he loves and ALLEGEDLY he knows this and also wants to protect him image/position so he never feeds in to it.

At the end basically the woman he's fake dating is due to get burned at the stake and Tite being crazy takes her place and John goes absolutely mental basically proving for the first time he loves her. Don't know if they reincarnate after that but that was an insane spoiler.

Also the girl he's dating thinks he loves her and not Tite but I think when he rushes cos he sees it's Tite burning and not his girlfriend a locket that has a lock of blonder hair and not her brown hair comes out ... So tea.

If anyone has any over spoilers lmk haha
nyotayuri : Ain't no way rosetta is saying a rejection would be hurting narin as if dating her without feelings wouldn't hurt her even more. This logic is so doodoooo omg she I even thought she felt some remorse for a second but here she goes god forbid she worries and stands up for a friend?
harimauSugar : I like the twist of how he disabled his legs like BAM outta nowhere
JaReader : As always, saying absurd things. LOL
blue cat : why they got bbc
dareader : if bottom guy didn't lead the top, they wouldn't get into relationship, and the top seems to have his love run deep he gone psycho. both have faults on this anyway. Very messy and twisted. more i like it, more
worldwide handsome : why brother is horny like 24/7
DeDe4U : Them damn canine crunching cardboard teeth be killing me
AkiChi : But not in a public toilet. I don't have that kind of kink.
jalapeno on a stick : One of the best manhwas ive ever read, each chapter is so good—not once did it flopped
omori : u can throw the book into the ocean, sure, but are we going to ignore the fact that there is multiple copies of published books
stencil : Hmmm... I don't like the idea of taking away worker's right to strike...
sugsgloss : bad as always, perfect.
dofu : THE NEW BUNNIES ARE SO CUTE! IS MC FINALLY GETTING A ROOF?!
Leah Fox : What the actual fuck
Y'all ever heard of communication?
And tf you does the prince mean by playing with his heart ヽ(`Д´)ノ he literally JUST rejected you tf
Basically this chapter was a whole shitshow with shit writing, I'm so done with this
nimnim juice : This just pissed me off. The fact that everyone is causing problems for Maythen. Especially his sister,she didn’t even try to figure out who’s body she’s in and now it’s a whole mess.
dudewhatlmao : now why the hell did the author skip the post-vibrator fuck fest just to meet some random ex lmao
Cawaiii♡ : Joongdo is planning something Σ(  ̄□ ̄||)
笑あなたは卵です : DEKU N TODOROKI... PLS
nemu : mc doesn’t have a name
or am i wrong
uwuwuwu : I feel like this story honestly had so much potential. It got me hooked for most of it, but to me, it wasn't well developed. I wish it had 40 more chapters. The relationships between characters were so interesting, but in my opinion, cut short. I liked the side couples better than the main one. There was good chemistry between the blue-haired guy and the ML, vice versa with the other couple. Aside from the sexual compatibility, I didn't really feel it in the main couple. Jihoon's character development felt super weak. I mean, they were in a relationship and he didn't even like him? Makes no sense.
that-otp-life : All the women he's collecting are gonna be the his groomsmen 100% for the final wedding
owl : I missed this soooo much
nafsu : recognising him by his homemade radish kimchi >>>>>
eumesmoporra : screaaaming I love the tension between yeo nan and dalguk its so intense
tatachan : at this rate, he's going to build his own kingdom bruh ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
your local therapist : I'll pay my 2 riyals to see tak hitting the crib
Peach : Idk what’s happening anymore ARIIII
Ruka : Woo Yeon is THE ONLY PSYCHO I AM PUTTINB MY HEAD ON A BLOCK FOR!!!!! He genuinely gets to the point of caring about Inseop. I love their relationship later on.
Irisu : a arte ficando mais feia a cada capítulo a história ficando mais noiada a cada painel mas eu continuo aqui...
Lucio : CAN SOMEONE PLS RECOMMEND ME BLS LIKE THIS ONE
Cyn : So cute.
Greyishin : Why she kept getting crumbs on her face??
magic : Why does the ML have such tiny hands lol
☆ freya : we're so back
Soraine : I’m a bit sad to see this end but it was definitely a satisfying ending. One of the best manhwa’s I’ve ever read.
PearlyChelle : Girl ikalma ang kiffy. Make him beg
KurooskiI : THAT WAS A DUDE????
barfmart : I like the funny demon with the face inside his abdomen I hope he stays in the story
ZakuroMochi : Buuutt whhhyyyyyy you lead me on like this!!
(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
Peach : Girl chill She’s playing hardcore match maker frfr !
UmChile : Why the hell is her son slaving away while she’s home doing nothing every single day? I feel manic with how angry I am at this lady. She pisses me off so much like get off your butt and work. Why do you keep sending money back to your bum ass eldest son and allowing your hard-working young son to pay for every single expense? I don’t know if I missed something that explains why she’s not doing anything but regardless, I would not be making my son work this hard for a debt that isn’t even his, and that the eldest son made worse.
KrispyFlowers : Cause wtf? THAT THING IS CHILD AND SEES BRO AS A MOTHER AND JUST FUCKS HIM HUHHHHH!??? The octo would have been cuter if it was like their baby instead of some weird fucking sex device for some monster fucking element, like what the hell was the thought process for this shit? Just KILL IT OFF at this point, what is there to feel sorry about, MC???
Hankouki : As he's SLAMMING INTO A WALL
Trainwreck : THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THESE TYPES OF COMMENTS IN A CUTE MANGA BEFORE HAHAHHAA. "I'm gonna walk across the highway, blindfolded." "I'm hanging on my ceiling tonight." "That bridge is looking mighty fine."

I thought I'd only see these types of comments on insta reels about real life couples HA AHHAHAHHA

We all get suicidal out of cuteness, jealousy, and the question of "am I allowed to see this?
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
nemu : this story has just been one crazy heck of a ride
i cant believe i made it this far
griddy master : im getting tired of waiting for him to kill them all
TonyLopez'sCourtCase : Yk what I noticed? The first time skip happened when Tia and Prez where exchanging letters and so did the second